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IMBOLC FILMS
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Pierre-André Lévesque
2010-01-03 05:12:25 UTC
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I am looking for some suggestions as to what would be a good film to
watch on Imbolc which will occur this February 2, 2010. Please help.

The holiday of Imbolc is also known by the names of Imbolg, Oimelc,
the Feast of Brigid, and in post-Christian times, Candlemas. It is
celebrated either on one of the first two days of February or on the
day the sun reaches fifteen degrees in Aquarius. Imbolc is a holiday
sacred to the goddess Brigid in her maiden aspect. Brigid is a highly
influential goddess holding sway over subjects as diverse as
blacksmithing, poetry, the hearth, and childbirth. It is explained
that Brigid is a name shared by three sisters who act almost as a
triple goddess. Important to the discussion of Imbolc, Brigid is
often
associated with cattle, milking, fertility, and the return of spring.

The word "imbolc" literally translates as "in the belly." This is a
reference to the season of spring, which shall soon be born. Although
February is considered a cold winter month, the seeds within the soil
are at this time beginning to awaken and grow. This parallels the
growth of the animals still in the womb who will be born later in the
year. Oimelc is an alternative title for Imbolc and means, "in milk."
This is a reference to the lactation of ewes and cows, which begins in
February. Geese being to lay eggs in the month of February and
although it does little for the temperature, it is easy to feel the
returning strength of the sun. It are these indications of the end of
winter that make Imbolc a festival of celebrating spring.

Imbolc begins on February second and hence is very close to the
beginning of the Roman festival of the Nones on February fifth, which
marked the beginning of spring on the Roman calendar. Since the
Romans
consider winter to be the last season of the year and spring to be the
first, the Nones marked the New Year and where considered a time to
clean old scores and to consider new endeavors.

The Nones and the month of February where seen as a time of cleansing;
the month February comes from the Latin word for purification. This
goes well with the theme that Candlemas latter embodied as a
celebration of the purification of Mary (woman where considered to be
impure for six weeks after giving birth). It was this month that homes
where given a good "spring cleaning" and where then sprinkled with
salt and wheat.

The first two weeks of February where known to the Romans as
Lupercalia and where dedicated to Lupercus, god of agriculture, and
Venus, goddess of passion and fertility. It marked the ending of the
odd time between December, the end of the year before, and March, the
beginning of the next year. It featured parties, parades, and
bonfires.

Lupercalia and the Nones both ended midway through February, on the
fourteenth. Most of you will note that this is the date of Valentine's
Day. Many people believe it likely that Valentine's Day was
originally
called Gallantine's Day. The word gallantine would have been
pronounced as beginning with a "v" in old France. Just looking at the
word gallantine suggests its English translation of "Gallant." This
English word originally had a meaning that has now become a secondary
definition of "chivalrously attentive to women; also dashingly
amorous. (This explanation is much simpler than attempting to explain
how the stout Saint Valentine of the Catholic Church managed to become
involved in a holiday that celebrates romance and desire).

The modern Imbolc takes on most of these rules, but is also considered
to be a festival of fire. It is an obvious welcome to the returning
sun and heat as well as a celebration dedicated to Brigid, who is the
goddess of fire. On the night of Imbolc, bonfires used to light the
hills and the daytime was filled with the praise of chandlers. It was
this theme that the Catholic Church latched onto for their celebration
of Candlemas.

There are many customs associated with Imbolc. My favorite is what I
think of as "The Lighting." This is accomplished by placing a lit
candle in every window and allowing them to burn either until morning
or until they burn out. Of course, if you live in a house full of
brave felines, you may want to douse any candle you can no longer
watch or use electric candles, or even electric lamps, in their
place.

Obviously, Imbolc is a terrific day for making candles. A Crown of
Lights is sometimes constructed to be worn by a group's High Priestess
at this time by fastening candles to a cornet. In old Europe many
people would spend Imbolc making candles from the animal fat collected
during the winter. These candles would usually last all year and where
considered to be lucky. This is one of the Imbolc traditions adopted
by the Catholic Church.

Still on the theme of burning things, now is a good time to gather any
of the greens from your Yuletide season that you still have laying
about. These things should be added to the bonfire for luck and to
help in the banishment of winter. Think about the cold and then think
about welcoming back the warmth and the sun while these burn.

There is an old Scottish tradition of feeding the last ear of last
harvest's corn to the livestock on this day.
In modern days, most people do not own livestock so the tradition has
turned to burning the corn dollies that many witches construct for the
autumn festivals.

In honour of Brigid and the sun, you may want to consider weaving a
"Brigid's Cross." As pictured above, a cross of Brigid is woven from
straw into a symbol of the sun. Such crosses are said to provide
protection when hung about the house for the next year.

In the same spirit in which the sun is being reborn, Imbolc is
considered a proper time for initiations, purification's, moving on
from the past, and reflecting on yourself.

As a token to fertility, it is customary to make an offering of milk
to the earth. This is usually accomplished by pouring milk onto the
ground or by sprinkling it onto the threshold.

Colours associated with Imbolc include lavender, white, and pink. A
sampling of Imbolc herbs would be heliotrope, carnation, poppy, basil,
and violet. Amethyst and jet are the stones of the holiday.

I am looking for something with a pagan theme and I would be curious
to know if there are any favourite films that regular observers of
Imbolc may watch?. I usually watch a film called "The Wicker Man" on
Beltane, although it could be argued that this movie does not present
neo-paganism in a very flattering light. I also watch "A Midsummer
Night's Dream" on Midsummer, "Watership Down" on Ostara, the
"Nutcracker" and "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" on Yule, "Dancing
at Lughnasa" and "Into the West" on Lughnasadh, and now both "Legend"
and "Ladyhawk" on Mabon (Autumn Equinox).

So would anyone here be able to recommend a good film to watch on
Imbolc which would be in keeping with the theme of Imbolc?.

Pierre-André
Tom
2010-01-03 05:15:46 UTC
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On Jan 2, 9:12 pm, Pierre-André Lévesque <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am looking for some suggestions as to what would be a good film to
> watch on Imbolc which will occur this February 2, 2010. Please help.

Avatar. It's totally cool.
Robert Scott Martin
2010-01-03 16:41:55 UTC
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In article <1566eaa3-1649-4914-9abc-***@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 9:12?pm, Pierre-Andr? L?vesque <***@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> I am looking for some suggestions as to what would be a good film to
>> watch on Imbolc which will occur this February 2, 2010. Please help.
>
>Avatar. It's totally cool.

The Umbrellas of Cherbourg.
Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole
2010-01-04 04:02:54 UTC
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Chade
2010-01-04 21:34:10 UTC
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On 3 Jan, 05:12, Pierre-André Lévesque <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am looking for some suggestions as to what would be a good film to
> watch on Imbolc which will occur this February 2, 2010. Please help.
>
> The holiday of Imbolc is also known by the names of Imbolg, Oimelc,
> the Feast of Brigid, and in post-Christian times, Candlemas. It is
> celebrated either on one of the first two days of February or on the
> day the sun reaches fifteen degrees in Aquarius. Imbolc is a holiday
> sacred to the goddess Brigid in her maiden aspect. Brigid is a highly
> influential goddess holding sway over subjects as diverse as
> blacksmithing, poetry, the hearth, and childbirth. It is explained
> that Brigid is a name shared by three sisters who act almost as a
> triple goddess. Important to the discussion of Imbolc, Brigid is
> often
> associated with cattle, milking, fertility, and the return of spring.
>
> The word "imbolc" literally translates as "in the belly." This is a
> reference to the season of spring, which shall soon be born. Although
> February is considered a cold winter month, the seeds within the soil
> are at this time beginning to awaken and grow. This parallels the
> growth of the animals still in the womb who will be born later in the
> year. Oimelc is an alternative title for Imbolc and means, "in milk."
> This is a reference to the lactation of ewes and cows, which begins in
> February. Geese being to lay eggs in the month of February and
> although it does little for the temperature, it is easy to feel the
> returning strength of the sun. It are these indications of the end of
> winter that make Imbolc a festival of celebrating spring.
>

I'm with you on the ewes and the geese, but cows calving in northern
Europe? In modern times feasible, but traditionally it would have been
bad management to calve before the new grass. Plus a lactating cow
drinks lots and their difficult to water when the water freezes.

>
> There are many customs associated with Imbolc. My favorite is what I
> think of as "The Lighting." This is accomplished by placing a lit
> candle in every window and allowing them to burn either until morning
> or until they burn out. Of course, if you live in a house full of
> brave felines, you may want to douse any candle you can no longer
> watch or use electric candles, or even electric lamps, in their
> place.
>

It's always good advice not to leave candles unattended. When I want
to have a candle burn completely for something rather than put out I
burn little candles, the kind you see on cakes. Cheap, available in
lots of colours and burn away in ten-fifteen minutes. It would still
take ages to do my all house one window at a time though.

>
> There is an old Scottish tradition of feeding the last ear of last
> harvest's corn to the livestock on this day.

Gosh. Here in England (just south of Scotland and slightly warmer) the
new grass won't be growing until the middle/end of April.

> In modern days, most people do not own livestock so the tradition has
> turned to burning the corn dollies that many witches construct for the
> autumn festivals.
>

Burning them? Again, Gosh. Corn dollies in England were,
traditionally, woven from the last of the grass/wheat/whatever left in
the field to 'trap' the spirit or essence of fertility of the last
crop and re-buried with the seeds of the next crop.

>
> As a token to fertility, it is customary to make an offering of milk
> to the earth. This is usually accomplished by pouring milk onto the
> ground or by sprinkling it onto the threshold.
>

Customary for whom?
Meltdarok
2010-01-05 00:21:40 UTC
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On 1/4/2010 4:34 PM, Chade wrote:

>>
>
> It's always good advice not to leave candles unattended. When I want
> to have a candle burn completely for something rather than put out I
> burn little candles, the kind you see on cakes. Cheap, available in
> lots of colours and burn away in ten-fifteen minutes. It would still
> take ages to do my all house one window at a time though.
>

Have you tried tealights in a votive holder? These type are in a metal
holder when you get them.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycnygjz

--


Meltdarok
Chade
2010-01-05 21:57:31 UTC
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On 5 Jan, 00:21, Meltdarok <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On 1/4/2010 4:34 PM, Chade wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's always good advice not to leave candles unattended. When I want
> > to have a candle burn completely for something rather than put out I
> > burn little candles, the kind you see on cakes. Cheap, available in
> > lots of colours and burn away in ten-fifteen minutes. It would still
> > take ages to do my all house one window at a time though.
>
> Have you tried tealights in a votive holder? These type are in a metal
> holder when you get them.http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycnygjz
>

I have used them during power cuts and as scented candles.The metal
holders that those Tealights come in are pretty safe, but leaving
naked flames unattended inside a house just makes me nervious.

For basic lighting of indoor rituals I've some silver candle arbors
given to me by a relative as a living bequest. They might not be the
cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.

http://www.prices-candles.co.uk/

The reason I sometimes use 'cake' candles is that I can be present
during the entire burn time and spend that time concentrating on the
reason I lit the candle. Tealights are okay but with long burn times I
normally couldn't spare all that time in remembrance, say.

Sometimes the symbolism of letting an candle burn entirely is nicer
than putting it out.
Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole
2010-01-06 02:47:31 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole
2010-01-06 02:51:59 UTC
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Chade
2010-01-06 21:27:14 UTC
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On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> Chade wrote:
>>
>>They might not be the
> > cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>
> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> is the better.

My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.

> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>

By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.

I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
induction.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-06 21:44:25 UTC
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Chade wrote:
> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>> Chade wrote:
>>> They might not be the
>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>> is the better.
>
> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>
>
> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>
> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> induction.

You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-07 00:49:50 UTC
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On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chade wrote:
> > On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> > <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >> Chade wrote:
> >>> They might not be the
> >>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> >> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> >> is the better.
>
> > My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> > anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> > ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
> >> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> >> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>
> > By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> > to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> > so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> > and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> > It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>
> > I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> > those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> > induction.
>
> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show


After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
inform the enemy ?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-07 02:00:09 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Chade wrote:
>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>>>> is the better.
>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
>>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
>>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
>>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
>>> induction.
>> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
>>
>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
>
>
> After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
> recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
> a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
> who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
> inform the enemy ?

You shoot him.
Next question.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-07 04:36:12 UTC
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On Jan 7, 2:00 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Chade wrote:
> >>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> >>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >>>> Chade wrote:
> >>>>> They might not be the
> >>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> >>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> >>>> is the better.
> >>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> >>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> >>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
> >>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> >>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
> >>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> >>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> >>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> >>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> >>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
> >>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> >>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> >>> induction.
> >> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
> > After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
> > recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
> > a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
> > who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
> > inform the enemy ?
>
> You shoot him.
> Next question.
>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show


But he's a deent enough man with a wife and children ?
And he swears to you that he won't tell anybody that he saw your
patrol ?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-07 04:55:09 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2:00 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>> On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>>>>>> is the better.
>>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
>>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
>>>>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
>>>>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>>>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
>>>>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
>>>>> induction.
>>>> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
>>>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>>> After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
>>> recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
>>> a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
>>> who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
>>> inform the enemy ?
>> You shoot him.
>> Next question.
>>
>
> But he's a deent enough man with a wife and children ?
> And he swears to you that he won't tell anybody that he saw your
> patrol ?

OK - you get someone else to shoot him.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-07 05:10:36 UTC
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On Jan 7, 4:55 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2:00 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> >>> On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Chade wrote:
> >>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> >>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Chade wrote:
> >>>>>>> They might not be the
> >>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> >>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> >>>>>> is the better.
> >>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> >>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> >>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
> >>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> >>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
> >>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> >>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> >>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> >>>>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> >>>>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
> >>>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> >>>>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> >>>>> induction.
> >>>> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
> >>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show
> >>> After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
> >>> recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
> >>> a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
> >>> who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
> >>> inform the enemy ?
> >> You shoot him.
> >> Next question.
>
> > But he's a deent enough man with a wife and children ?
> > And he swears to you that he won't tell anybody that he saw your
> > patrol ?
>
> OK - you get someone else to shoot him.
>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show


But you're an Officer and a Gentleman , a rising star of a politician
in peacetime who everybody says will be Prime Minister after the war -
and one of your men threatens to tell the " News of the World" ( who
are opposed to your Party ) if you shoot the prisoner, or order his
shooting ???
So instead of being Prime Minister you could find yourself up in front
of the Hague Tribunal as a war criminal :-)
And the prisoner in on his knees begging you for his life right
now .....

Michael
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-07 05:40:35 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> On Jan 7, 4:55 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 2:00 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>>>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>>>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>>>>>>>> is the better.
>>>>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>>>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>>>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>>>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>>>>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>>>>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>>>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>>>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
>>>>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
>>>>>>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
>>>>>>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>>>>>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
>>>>>>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
>>>>>>> induction.
>>>>>> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
>>>>>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show
>>>>> After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
>>>>> recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
>>>>> a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
>>>>> who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
>>>>> inform the enemy ?
>>>> You shoot him.
>>>> Next question.
>>> But he's a deent enough man with a wife and children ?
>>> And he swears to you that he won't tell anybody that he saw your
>>> patrol ?
>> OK - you get someone else to shoot him.
>>
>> FFF
>> Dirk
>>
>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
>
>
> But you're an Officer and a Gentleman , a rising star of a politician
> in peacetime who everybody says will be Prime Minister after the war -
> and one of your men threatens to tell the " News of the World" ( who
> are opposed to your Party ) if you shoot the prisoner, or order his
> shooting ???
> So instead of being Prime Minister you could find yourself up in front
> of the Hague Tribunal as a war criminal :-)
> And the prisoner in on his knees begging you for his life right
> now .....

The "one of your men" gets to stay with him while the rest of the patrol
gets away. "One of the men" gets a medal.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-07 05:44:18 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 7, 5:40 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 4:55 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> >>> On Jan 7, 2:00 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 6, 9:44 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Chade wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> >>>>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Chade wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> They might not be the
> >>>>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> >>>>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> >>>>>>>> is the better.
> >>>>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> >>>>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> >>>>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
> >>>>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >>>>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> >>>>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >>>>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
> >>>>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> >>>>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> >>>>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> >>>>>>> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> >>>>>>> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
> >>>>>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> >>>>>>> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> >>>>>>> induction.
> >>>>>> You might find this useful as a trance induction aid.http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
> >>>>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensu...political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalkShow
> >>>>> After seeing the movie " Saving Private Ryan " ( highly
> >>>>> recommended ) , I have wondered what I would do as an officer leading
> >>>>> a patrol behind enemy lines with an enemy prisoner we had captured,
> >>>>> who we couldn't take with us, and couldn't release for fear he would
> >>>>> inform the enemy ?
> >>>> You shoot him.
> >>>> Next question.
> >>> But he's a deent enough man with a wife and children ?
> >>> And he swears to you that he won't tell anybody that he saw your
> >>> patrol ?
> >> OK - you get someone else to shoot him.
>
> >> FFF
> >> Dirk
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
> > But you're an Officer and a Gentleman , a rising star of a politician
> > in peacetime who everybody says will be Prime Minister after the war -
> > and one of your men threatens to tell the " News of the World" ( who
> > are opposed to your Party ) if you shoot the prisoner, or order his
> > shooting ???
> > So instead of being Prime Minister you could find yourself up in front
> > of the Hague Tribunal as a war criminal :-)
> > And the prisoner in on his knees begging you for his life right
> > now .....
>
> The "one of your men" gets to stay with him while the rest of the patrol
> gets away. "One of the men" gets a medal.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show


Brilliant thinking - you get to be P.M. !

Cheers,
Michael .
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:35:02 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-08 09:18:05 UTC
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On Jan 8, 4:35 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 4:55 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > \But you're an Officer and a Gentleman ,
>
> In the Neo Hitler Army, just loves the hate, doesn't know the story.

Hitller was sent by The Great Avenger on the Banker Jews !
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-08 09:47:03 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> On Jan 8, 4:35 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>> An Coibhi Drui wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 4:55 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> \But you're an Officer and a Gentleman ,
>> In the Neo Hitler Army, just loves the hate, doesn't know the story.
>
> Hitller was sent by The Great Avenger on the Banker Jews !

Actually, he was sent to annoy Godwin.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 04:01:22 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-09 14:17:01 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-10 01:53:40 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-10 01:51:50 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 07:43:27 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-10 02:29:23 UTC
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On Jan 9, 5:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> NO!!!!!!
> 2012, is when the Tsin get sick and tired of you Bigots and go through the
> doors to watch the Show from the Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe.
> You get to enjoy the "Gnashing of Teeth", after the Lum of God takes away the
> Tsin's of the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message. I
have a similar rule for capitalized common nouns in the middle of
sentences.
Kent
2010-01-10 17:25:00 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 9, 7:29 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
>
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> > NO!!!!!!
> > 2012, is when the Tsin get sick and tired of you Bigots and go through the
> > doors to watch the Show from the Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe.
> > You get to enjoy the "Gnashing of Teeth", after the Lum of God takes away the
> > Tsin's of the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts.  The more
> exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message.  I
> have a similar rule for capitalized common nouns in the middle of
> sentences.

Mine involves posts that make bad references to Douglas Adams books
(other than in a joking and humorous context), treat Japanese anime as
if it were real life and could honestly happen, bisect words to make
them into something they're not in an etymological sense, rewrite
history for the poster's own delusional fantasy, and make actual
places in the world interchangeable with other real places (such as
Ireland being said to be a part of Gaul)...which thereby rules out
pretty much anything the "baroness" seems to post.
1X2Willows
2010-01-10 19:34:14 UTC
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Kent wrote:
> On Jan 9, 7:29 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 5:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
>>
>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>
>>> NO!!!!!!
>>> 2012, is when the Tsin get sick and tired of you Bigots and go
>>> through the doors to watch the Show from the Restaurant at the Edge
>>> of the Universe.
>>> You get to enjoy the "Gnashing of Teeth", after the Lum of God
>>> takes away the Tsin's of the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
>> exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message. I
>> have a similar rule for capitalized common nouns in the middle of
>> sentences.
>
> Mine involves posts that make bad references to Douglas Adams books
> (other than in a joking and humorous context), treat Japanese anime as
> if it were real life and could honestly happen, bisect words to make
> them into something they're not in an etymological sense, rewrite
> history for the poster's own delusional fantasy, and make actual
> places in the world interchangeable with other real places (such as
> Ireland being said to be a part of Gaul)...which thereby rules out
> pretty much anything the "baroness" seems to post.

aside from the fact that Nutzy of Frozen Rainbows seems to think
all these authors of "Legend" spoke English.

- but you already covered that in your "bisect words to make them
into something they're not in an etymological sense".

Just reconfirming said point ;-}
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 08:15:08 UTC
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1X2Willows
2010-01-10 19:58:02 UTC
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Tom wrote:
>>
>> I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
>> exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message. I
>> have a similar rule for capitalized common nouns in the middle of
>> sentences.
>

Nice!

- and then there's maniacal usage of parenthesies and apostrophs,
which is also a pretty good indicator of a person's departure from
common sense.
Kent
2010-01-11 05:28:23 UTC
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On Jan 10, 12:58 pm, "1X2Willows" <***@least.invalid> wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>
> >> I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
> >> exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message. I
> >> have a similar rule for capitalized common nouns in the middle of
> >> sentences.
>
> Nice!
>
> - and then there's maniacal usage of parenthesies and apostrophs,
> which is also a pretty good indicator of a person's departure from
> common sense.

And in Mister Baroness' latest post, she/he has managed to cover every
point we've made here in one feel swoop!
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 08:28:42 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 08:16:08 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 08:11:27 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-11 16:13:07 UTC
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On Jan 11, 12:11 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> Kent wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 7:29 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
> > > exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message.
>
> GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you actually want me to see you as a mentally ill, ineffectual
nincompoop.
Stacey
2010-01-11 18:29:34 UTC
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"Tom" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:612085f3-a3f3-41cd-9afb-***@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 12:11 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> Kent wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 7:29 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
> > > exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message.
>
> GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you actually want me to see you as a mentally ill, ineffectual
nincompoop.

It's like trying to reason with a three-year old. It won't work.
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-14 02:15:38 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 07:53:40 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-11 16:10:25 UTC
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On Jan 10, 11:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>
> > I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts.
>
> No you don't,

Yes, I do.

> you insult everyone equally,

Not equally. I insult people more when they deserve it more. I
insult you all the time, because you're not only irretreivably nuts,
but an obnoxious asshole besides.
Bassos
2010-01-11 19:25:00 UTC
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"Tom" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:09101f99-f06c-4360-a519-***@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 10, 11:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>
> > I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts.
>
> No you don't,

Yes, I do.

> you insult everyone equally,

Not equally. I insult people more when they deserve it more. I
insult you all the time, because you're not only irretreivably nuts,
but an obnoxious asshole besides.


*****

Tom is soo close, but admitting he does not insult people equally is a hint.

You sir, are hereby insulted.

You may choose your own insult.

Be prepared to be destroyed if i think the insult you chose was
insufficcient.

Destruction;
do remind people how you impersonated tom bombadil without actually being
it.

and no, whenever tom is mentioned, it is not always about you, although it
also is about you.

So float or not, this in between shite is funny.

Harrummph.
(a direct quote from treebeard, and hardly anyone noticed)


For the dimwitted peeps :

Harumph was a tangential reference to the lord of the rings.
Something an ent might say.

The only thing tom bombadil is slightly interested in, is in ents.

Thus a reference to tom.

And thus confusion.

I am so much more refined than you.

.
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:53:34 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:33:13 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-08 05:35:26 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:42:52 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:27:15 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-08 05:05:17 UTC
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On Jan 7, 8:27 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME, is ENEMY!!!!!!!!!

Which guarantees, of course, that you will always turn your back on
your friends.
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:27:41 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 03:50:41 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 03:48:43 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole
2010-01-07 01:49:53 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-07 02:07:35 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-07 06:22:49 UTC
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On Jan 6, 6:07 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Chade wrote:
>
> >> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> >> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >>> Chade wrote:
> >>>> They might not be the
> >>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> >>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> >>> is the better.
> >> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> >> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> >> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
> >>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> >>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>
> >> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> >> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker?
>
> > Yes, and More, such as Diminish, it will shrink from you.
>
> >> If
> >> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> >> and flicker by themselves
>
> > to some extent, but bring your hand near the flame.
> > it will actually lean at a 45 Degree angle away from you.
> > Move your hand back, so YOU don't think You are Creating a Force Wind, and move
> > your fingers wiggle your hand, you can make the flame dance.
> > Spin, Flicker, Wave, Jump. . . . . . .
>
> Take your pick:
> Electrostatics
> Thermal asymmetry
> Coanda-type effect
> Sonics (unlikely, but possible).

Not to mention the memory editing of people in the grip of chronic
psychosis. Which describes Mr. "Lady Azure" to a T.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-07 06:59:20 UTC
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Tom wrote:
> On Jan 6, 6:07 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chade wrote:
>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>>>>> is the better.
>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker?
>>> Yes, and More, such as Diminish, it will shrink from you.
>>>> If
>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
>>>> and flicker by themselves
>>> to some extent, but bring your hand near the flame.
>>> it will actually lean at a 45 Degree angle away from you.
>>> Move your hand back, so YOU don't think You are Creating a Force Wind, and move
>>> your fingers wiggle your hand, you can make the flame dance.
>>> Spin, Flicker, Wave, Jump. . . . . . .
>> Take your pick:
>> Electrostatics
>> Thermal asymmetry
>> Coanda-type effect
>> Sonics (unlikely, but possible).
>
> Not to mention the memory editing of people in the grip of chronic
> psychosis. Which describes Mr. "Lady Azure" to a T.

I suppose we shouldn't rule out massive psychokinetic effects either,
but it would have to be at the bottom of the list of possible
explanations. Nevertheless, there are macroscopic "things" which may
well fall into that category:
http://www.jackhouck.com/pkmf.shtml

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:59:52 UTC
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Tom
2010-01-08 05:06:39 UTC
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On Jan 7, 8:59 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
<laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> Make up your Mind, either I am a Nut, or I am capable!

You're a Nut.
Kent
2010-01-08 05:15:28 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 7, 10:06 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 8:59 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
>
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>
> > Make up your Mind, either I am a Nut, or I am capable!
>
> You're a Nut.

Motion seconded.
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:40:10 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:33:02 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-08 05:34:14 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-09 03:42:09 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-09 14:16:21 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-10 01:50:51 UTC
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-10 01:51:07 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-11 07:37:50 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui
2010-01-08 00:28:59 UTC
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On Jan 7, 6:22 am, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 6, 6:07 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole wrote:
>
> > > Chade wrote:
>
> > >> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> > >> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> > >>> Chade wrote:
> > >>>> They might not be the
> > >>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
> > >>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
> > >>> is the better.
> > >> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> > >> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> > >> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
> > >>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> > >>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
> > >>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> > >>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>
> > >> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> > >> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker?
>
> > > Yes, and More, such as Diminish, it will shrink from you.
>
> > >> If
> > >> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> > >> and flicker by themselves
>
> > > to some extent, but bring your hand near the flame.
> > > it will actually lean at a 45 Degree angle away from you.
> > > Move your hand back, so YOU don't think You are Creating a Force Wind, and move
> > > your fingers wiggle your hand, you can make the flame dance.
> > > Spin, Flicker, Wave, Jump. . . . . . .
>
> > Take your pick:
> > Electrostatics
> > Thermal asymmetry
> > Coanda-type effect
> > Sonics (unlikely, but possible).
>
> Not to mention the memory editing of people in the grip of chronic
> psychosis.  Which describes Mr. "Lady Azure" to a T.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Absolutely agreed !

( As an honest Druid I have to confess that I used to give her every
post five stars without even reading them, when she started , to
lead her on by the nose , but I know that I wasn't the only one here
up to that little bit shullduggery for personal amusement, sadly she
seems to have taken our false praise to heart, sorry about that ! ) .

Michael .
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2010-01-08 00:37:25 UTC
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An Coibhi Drui wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:22 am, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 6:07 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole wrote:
>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Chade wrote:
>>>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user the maker
>>>>>> is the better.
>>>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of you"?
>>>>>> That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>>>>>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker?
>>>> Yes, and More, such as Diminish, it will shrink from you.
>>>>> If
>>>>> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
>>>>> and flicker by themselves
>>>> to some extent, but bring your hand near the flame.
>>>> it will actually lean at a 45 Degree angle away from you.
>>>> Move your hand back, so YOU don't think You are Creating a Force Wind, and move
>>>> your fingers wiggle your hand, you can make the flame dance.
>>>> Spin, Flicker, Wave, Jump. . . . . . .
>>> Take your pick:
>>> Electrostatics
>>> Thermal asymmetry
>>> Coanda-type effect
>>> Sonics (unlikely, but possible).
>> Not to mention the memory editing of people in the grip of chronic
>> psychosis. Which describes Mr. "Lady Azure" to a T.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Absolutely agreed !
>
> ( As an honest Druid I have to confess that I used to give her every
> post five stars without even reading them, when she started , to
> lead her on by the nose , but I know that I wasn't the only one here
> up to that little bit shullduggery for personal amusement, sadly she
> seems to have taken our false praise to heart, sorry about that ! ) .
>
> Michael .

To ask well, to answer rightly,
Are the marks of a wise man:
Men must speak of men's deeds,
What happens may not be hidden.

FFF
Dirk

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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 05:29:37 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 05:24:49 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:51:33 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:05:08 UTC
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Dana
2010-01-07 02:33:33 UTC
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Chade wrote:
> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>> Chade wrote:
>>>
>>> They might not be the
>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>
>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user
>> the maker is the better.
>
> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of
>> you"? That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
>> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>
>
> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>
> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> induction.

Now, for extra credit, try approaching the flame as a being as cognizant and
aware as yourself, according it the same degree of respect you'd give to a
benign stranger.
KatZen
2010-01-07 04:10:47 UTC
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On Jan 6, 9:33 pm, "Dana" <***@least.invalid> wrote:
> Chade wrote:
> > On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
> > <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> >> Chade wrote:
>
> >>> They might not be the
> >>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>
> >> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user
> >> the maker is the better.
>
> > My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
> > anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
> > ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>
> >> Have you ever played with the Flame?
> >> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid of
> >> you"? That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the fire.
> >> To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>
> > By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
> > to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker? If
> > so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames rise
> > and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them or not.
> > It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>
> > I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one of
> > those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by visual
> > induction.
>
> Now, for extra credit, try approaching the flame as a being as cognizant and
> aware as yourself, according it the same degree of respect you'd give to a
> benign stranger.


salamander?
1X2Willows
2010-01-07 04:19:49 UTC
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KatZen wrote:
> On Jan 6, 9:33 pm, "Dana" <***@least.invalid> wrote:
>> Chade wrote:
>>> On 6 Jan, 02:51, "Lady Azure, Baroness o De North Pole"
>>> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
>>>> Chade wrote:
>>
>>>>> They might not be the
>>>>> cheapest but I find Price's candles give a lovely light.
>>
>>>> I find "Hand Made provide the most "Response", closer to the user
>>>> the maker is the better.
>>
>>> My attempts at candle making have proved unsuccessful. Years ago I
>>> anointed candles, rubbing them with oil while thinking about the
>>> ritual for which they were to be used. I don't bother now though.
>>
>>>> Have you ever played with the Flame?
>>>> Found out what they mean when they say "The Sacred Fire is afraid
>>>> of you"? That is why you are supposed to wear a veil before the
>>>> fire. To prevent yourself from "Insulting" the flame.
>>
>>> By 'playing with the flame' do you mean the oft repeated instruction
>>> to concentrate on a candle flame to try to make it rise or flicker?
>>> If so then yes I have. I came to the conclusion that candle flames
>>> rise and flicker by themselves whether I try to concentrate on them
>>> or not. It just seems like I'm doing it, an illusion.
>>
>>> I think that what makes this illusion more plausible is if your one
>>> of those people, like me, in whom trance states can be induced by
>>> visual induction.
>>
>> Now, for extra credit, try approaching the flame as a being as
>> cognizant and aware as yourself, according it the same degree of
>> respect you'd give to a benign stranger.
>
>
> salamander?

You bet my slimy ass.
Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:18:11 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:16:07 UTC
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Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole.
2010-01-08 04:08:40 UTC
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Chade
2010-01-06 21:43:47 UTC
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On 5 Jan, 21:57, Chade <***@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've some silver candle arbors

"Candelabras"
Kent
2010-01-12 03:51:45 UTC
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On Jan 11, 11:29 am, "Stacey" <***@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Tom" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:612085f3-a3f3-41cd-9afb-***@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 11, 12:11 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness O de North Pole."
>
> <laddie'o'***@gall's.org> wrote:
> > Kent wrote:
> > > On Jan 9, 7:29 pm, Tom <***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > I have a credibility rule that I apply to all Usenet posts. The more
> > > > exclamation marks I see, the less seriously I take the message.
>
> > GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> So you actually want me to see you as a mentally ill, ineffectual
> nincompoop.
>
> It's like trying to reason with a three-year old.  It won't work.

Actually, I've met three year olds that were far more coherent and
reasonable than the dear "Baroness".
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